tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post3854070000165927385..comments2023-11-08T12:09:20.020-05:00Comments on Prove Me Wrong: Shelly Kagan Debates WL CraigJonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-86222095029777765232010-01-14T14:41:37.580-05:002010-01-14T14:41:37.580-05:00Do you know if a transcript of this debate exists ...Do you know if a transcript of this debate exists and where I could find it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-39342016630409348702010-01-11T14:21:59.848-05:002010-01-11T14:21:59.848-05:00Thanks for the tip. Interesting debate.Thanks for the tip. Interesting debate.DagoodShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-85962450615977302332010-01-09T11:38:43.688-05:002010-01-09T11:38:43.688-05:00So what is meaningful from God's point of view...So what is meaningful from God's point of view about the Eagles playing the Cowboys?<br /><br />As God can't care less who wins the games, why do the Earthlings even bother turning up and throwing a ball around?Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-20775683436360138142010-01-08T17:47:32.470-05:002010-01-08T17:47:32.470-05:00Jon -
I think that cosmically there is no meaning...Jon -<br /><br />I think that cosmically there is no meaning - from a human point of view. Or rather better put I think that from a "cosmic sense" we have no more purpose than that of space dust. I hold that any meaning/purpose that exist are a consequence of our desires.<br /><br />Anyway back on point.<br /><br />Torturing a baby involves an act of intentionally causing harm and suffering. That is significantly different from helping (or not) the poor.<br /><br />I think I can make such a statement w/o invoking purpose or meaning whatsoever.<br /><br />PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-91156480392544130252010-01-08T16:48:58.806-05:002010-01-08T16:48:58.806-05:00I think what Craig would say is that if the world ...I think what Craig would say is that if the world is meaningless than in the end saying torturing babies for fun is in no meaningful way different from helping the poor. This then renders morality a meaningless concept absent God.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-12108089922499115232010-01-08T15:29:25.369-05:002010-01-08T15:29:25.369-05:00I have not listened to the debate.
"The topi...I have not listened to the debate.<br /><br />"The topic is whether God is necessary for morality."<br /><br />I take morality to mean about what one ought to do.<br /><br />I take "meaning" in this context to be analogous to purpose.<br /><br />There seems to be a equivocation of morality and meaning. I agree there can be a loose relationship between these two things but one doesn't seem necessarily contingent on the other. Maybe I am wrong.<br /><br />On the following <br /><br />"Craig argues that if there is no meaning in the cosmic sense, with the impending heat death of the universe, then there is no meaning in any sense."<br /><br />The conclusion is a non-sequitur. But beyond that even it it were a reasonable conclusion is this suppose to somehow refute the claim that god is not required for morality? Seems like a non-starter. The absence of meaning is not the absence of morality.<br /><br />PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com