tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post6770182289478179043..comments2023-11-08T12:09:20.020-05:00Comments on Prove Me Wrong: Christian Violence and Islamic ViolenceJonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-88088466039609759242010-10-01T18:16:34.486-04:002010-10-01T18:16:34.486-04:00I'm not so sure that every means possible is p...I'm not so sure that every means possible is permitted in your efforts to convert in Islam. Sura 2:256 says there is to be no compulsion in religion. Maybe another text says something else. Can you say for sure that one view represents true Islam and the other doesn't when you have contradictions?<br /><br />You say that Islam has vast populations that seem to think violence is socially acceptable. Violence fits within their creed. Does it fit within Bob Dutko's creed? <a href="http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/09/11/perspective-on-911-and-the-invasions-of-iraq-afghanistan/" rel="nofollow">Contrast the stack of corpses</a>. Bob cheers this on. He spends his time doing things like justifying Israel's flotilla raid, wherein the fact finding mission found that the IDF had <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/01/flotilla" rel="nofollow">shot an American citizen in the head execution style</a>. That's all fine and consistent with his biblical worldview.<br /><br />I might add it's also acceptable according to some atheists I know.<br /><br />But let's suppose that it was true that the Islamic world was more violent than the Christian world today. That's presumably based on violence after 1980, since in the few centuries prior there was basically nothing. This is to commit an error in that you are focusing on a very narrow window of time. If you consider the past several centuries, and not just the last 30 years, it's hard to sustain the claim that Islam is by nature more violent than Christianity.<br /><br />One of our members pointed to Islamic rule of India. He said it was very brutal. But our guest and the member of our group from India (ex-Hindu) disputed that. They said it was quite a peaceful rule by the standards of the day. Islamic rulers frequently took Hindu wives and had relatively good relations with their subjects. Contrast this with Europe, where there was none of that. To adhere to a non-Catholic faith was to die. People were burned alive for "heresy." Isn't Hinduism "heresy" from the Islamic perspective? Why weren't they likewise violent if Islam is by nature more prone to violence than Christianity?<br /><br />Islam is responsible for violence today. I agree with that. But the question here is one of contrast.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-50582314064543253372010-10-01T12:17:40.438-04:002010-10-01T12:17:40.438-04:00In general, both Christianity and Islam are invasi...In general, both Christianity and Islam are invasive beliefs. They require absolute conversion to their own precepts [and individual sects] without stop until every single person is converted. Every person.<br /><br />And every means possible is included. Currently, Christianity (by social stigma) is content to proselytize within generally accepted cultural norms, but it certainly has demonstrated a propensity to utilize violence in the past and (especially if one gleefully ascribes to certain interpretations of Revelation) may do so in the future.<br /><br />Whether Christians understand or accept it, their belief allows violence against the non-converted. Think of the genocides within the Tanakh, and the justifications given by the current apologetics. They have no problem pushing, and paying and voting against gay marriage even when such marriage has absolutely no effect upon them. It is a short step to rationalizing active violence against teh gay.<br /><br />At the moment, Islam has vast populations within countries that socially allow the use of violence, and that violence fits within the Islamic creed. While the blame of who created the use of “jihad” may or may not fall on Islam—Islam DID embrace it within its tenets and is now promulgating it.<br /><br />It seems…naïve and convenient…to claim Islam didn’t support violence at one particular time, and that is the “correct” version. We must deal with the realities of today. At one time Christianity was anti-Semitic. Now it seems to rubber-stamp anything Zionists or Jews do. Which was the “correct” Christianity?<br /><br />Should we argue it used to be anti-Semitic and that is the “correct” version—or do we deal with the Christianity of today? Same way with Islam—if the religion tacitly allows the violence, it must equally be held responsible for it.DagoodShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-67459487689232999302010-09-30T20:57:24.873-04:002010-09-30T20:57:24.873-04:00I really am not sure what you mean with the first ...I really am not sure what you mean with the first comment. As far as the second, what makes you say that? As I understand slavery was part of the genocide as people were worked to death, but if you know something different tell me how you know it.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-50771107373359547142010-09-30T15:16:59.638-04:002010-09-30T15:16:59.638-04:00Oh and the native american thing is BS. It was NOT...Oh and the native american thing is BS. It was NOT intentional. The Europeans would have much rather have kept the natives around and use them as slaves.HispanicPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220166238164432290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-31788854826547008522010-09-30T15:16:10.952-04:002010-09-30T15:16:10.952-04:00The true winners are not Christians or Muslims, bu...The true winners are not Christians or Muslims, but Communists. Communism is fundamentally atheist. Christianity, using the Muslims standard, did alot to hold back the spread of communism.<br /><br />You get the idea.HispanicPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220166238164432290noreply@blogger.com