tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post5437125349873871168..comments2023-11-08T12:09:20.020-05:00Comments on Prove Me Wrong: Back for More Grady McMurtryJonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-91065284031926869712023-05-01T05:12:37.837-04:002023-05-01T05:12:37.837-04:00To question the meaning of life is to use one'...To question the meaning of life is to use one's life for something else, for the man in whom the spirit of disobedience is at work. And the one who uses his life for something else is not living in harmony with the intelligent guiding force that sustains the universe, the living world, the human body, the living cells. And if the cell is not obedient in the body, then what happens, cancer develops. Questioning the meaning of life develops spiritual cancer in society. This is the destruction wrought by humanity alienated from God's guiding standards.<br /><br />Innocently, one who does the truth does not come to the wrong conclusion. Science does not seek to answer how the universe came into being, but why God did not create it. Their attitude makes any post hoc conclusions they use to prove their point totally incorrect!!! There is no innocence in this, there is intentionality.<br /><br />"Believers are forever killing each other. Often they do it specifically in the name of God." These are not really believers, but stray Christians, godless, worse than atheists. They bring shame to the doctrine they claim to represent. But this is a lie. These people should not be referred to because they are condemned in the Bible. Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but deny Him by their works, because they are abominable and unbelieving, and unworthy of every good work.<br /><br />"Secular communities are among the most peaceful communities ever known to mankind. " All the sins that men commit arise from atheism, from man's imposition of morality upon himself. The murders in every crime movie are the result of rejecting God and freely choosing to commit a thousand forms of sin. Then where do murderers, serial killers, extortionists, thieves, family destroyers, drug dealers, arms dealers, genocidaires, warmongering profiteers, perpetual liars, nature abusers, animal abusers, etc. belong? Are they not secular? In fact, they are the truly secular!<br /><br />"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, he has not the love of the Father. For all that is in the world - the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the lust of life - is not from the Father, but is of the world. The world passes away, and the lust of the world, but he who does the will of God abides forever." (1 John 2:15-17)<br /><br />kontakthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12247651715532617455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-62661403484627536292023-04-30T20:32:38.943-04:002023-04-30T20:32:38.943-04:00"A society grown on Darwinism questions the v..."A society grown on Darwinism questions the very meaning of its existence."<br />Which you think is a bad thing. Because you're frightened of answers you might not like.<br /><br />"Shooting at God dolls in the amusement park may seem like fun, but the true God is waiting for them at the exit."<br />How do you know? And why are you frightened of this judgement? Nobody's shooting at God dolls in an amusement park. People look at the evidence and come to a different view from you. If they're wrong and God exists, why would they need to be frightened? What kind of God would punish them for thinking as carefully as they could and coming innocently to the wrong conclusion? A loving God? A God of forgiveness? You might just be scaring yourself with a ghost story.<br /><br />"Belief in God is a restraining force, evolution a liberating force for the unfolding of the evil in human nature."<br />Ridiculous self-delusion. Believers have been slaughtering each other forever. Often they do it expressly in God's name. Secular communities are some of the most peaceful humanity has ever produced.lettersquashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924900938223699573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-74647472625920663452023-04-29T15:24:57.374-04:002023-04-29T15:24:57.374-04:00Shooting at God dolls in the amusement park may se...Shooting at God dolls in the amusement park may seem like fun, but the true God is waiting for them at the exit.<br />The scientist takes a circuitous route to God in order to win as many medals and prizes as possible during his adventures.<br />Materialistic thinking cannot eliminate the thinking spirit. Then it would have to start with itself.<br />Materialistic science doesn't care what theory it dazzles the masses with. The only thing that matters to it is that there is no God in it!<br />A society grown on Darwinism questions the very meaning of its existence.<br />Those who defend evolution from critics with barbed wire have themselves become entangled in a maze of dogma.<br />Belief in God is a restraining force, evolution a liberating force for the unfolding of the evil in human nature.kontakthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12247651715532617455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-79143818509655465402019-01-12T22:54:56.444-05:002019-01-12T22:54:56.444-05:00Utterly cluelessUtterly cluelessAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16842666334731744223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-42685951107845906882018-12-29T20:26:16.036-05:002018-12-29T20:26:16.036-05:00I giggled when you said your partner worries that ...I giggled when you said your partner worries that religion is the downfall of the USA. I think the UK is in a great mess and losing both morally and economically because the lack of religion. Europe was at it's best when great christian revivals took place.Eyounghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00981798742937461815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-76233693266651610762018-12-23T07:05:44.425-05:002018-12-23T07:05:44.425-05:00"It's too easy to prove you wrong."
..."It's too easy to prove you wrong."<br />If by "prove" you mean "assert", sure.<br /><br /><br />"What you may see in ERV as evidence of common ancestry, others see as evidence of common design."<br />Others do see it that way, yes. One side is wrong. I'm sure you'll agree with that, at least. Logic dictates that about contrary facts: they can't both be true.<br /><br />"And since there's no evidence to support your other claims, such as claiming neanderthals aren't humans, then it becomes impossible for you to debate McMurtry on any level."<br />I don't remember off-hand what the author said about this, but Neanderthals are classed as human. The clue is in the name, <i>Homo</i> neanderthalensis, as well as in large amounts of DNA evidence, which shows not only that Homo sapiens interbred with H. neanderthalensis, but that we can count in our own DNA how much each of us is related to them! I assume that you are arguing the opposite.<br /><br />"A theory, study, or article is NOT evidence, and evolutionist thought is built entirely on those."<br />Wrong (first point) and right (second). If we don't form hypotheses, test them, write articles to share the results, and consider that evidence, what do we use to argue and learn? Why would scrupulous inspection of the most minute details of the world around us and endlessly testing to see if it fits everything else we discover be a bad thing to build our thought on?<br /><br />"To prove McMurtry wrong, you must have rock solid evidence."<br />That is almost exactly what the scientific evidence is, rock solid. I say "almost" because it always has errors in it somewhere, but scientific method is self-correcting: it doesn't allow any errors to remain if later evidence is at odds with them, but seeks to figure out what is wrong and what is right. That's what is so enormously powerful about it as a way of building our knowledge.<br /><br />"Compelling theories developed over the last few centuries will never prevail against the mathematical certainties and historically documented events which McMurtry supports his ideas with."<br />First, he can have all the mathematical certainties he likes and still interpret the evidence completely wrongly. Second, the "historically documented events" you're talking about could just be made up, so good thinkers don't automatically believe it, or use it to support a theory that goes against physical evidence we can all show to someone else. Then, these are themselves internally inconsistent, which indicates unreliability and also causes a problem of which bits you're going to use to support your hypothesis and which bits you're going to skim over (remember, contradictory evidence can't all be true?). Then there's the other problem, that the world is stuffed full of writings, of which you would probably reject at least 90% as fanciful nonsense (the Bhagavad Gita or the Dau De Ching or the Qur'an, these only being a tiny selection of the most well-known ones), so you must ask yourself why you believe just one of these ancient, self-contradictory, human scribblings, rather than any others. Why not believe tales of Atlantis, Ancient Aliens conjectures, UFO reports, and all the cultural stories about fairies, giants, dragons and other legendary beasts? The more one looks at this body of stories, the more the Bible (I assume that's the "history" you're referring to) looks like just another piece of imaginative story-telling.<br /><br />So why do people still believe one book, but not the Mahabharat or ancient Greek myths, so much that they deny the objective observations of science? The answer is in another area of science, psychology, which shows how bad the isolated human mind is at forming correct knowledge, because it is evolved to make particular types of decision, quick-and-dirty, about potential predators and the motivations of our fellow apes. None of science can be self-contradictory. It has to fit with the rest. That's what makes it so persuasive.lettersquashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924900938223699573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-52347524999147343312018-12-22T22:51:58.090-05:002018-12-22T22:51:58.090-05:00It's too easy to prove you wrong. What you ma...It's too easy to prove you wrong. What you may see in ERV as evidence of common ancestry, others see as evidence of common design. And since there's no evidence to support your other claims, such as claiming neanderthals aren't humans, then it becomes impossible for you to debate McMurtry on any level. A theory, study, or article is NOT evidence, and evolutionist thought is built entirely on those. To prove McMurtry wrong, you must have rock solid evidence. Compelling theories developed over the last few centuries will never prevail against the mathematical certainties and historically documented events which McMurtry supports his ideas with.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13268480148959463040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-71831290607446151972018-08-21T07:10:16.934-04:002018-08-21T07:10:16.934-04:00Good post, bigwhiteogre (Jon),
1. Once you see som...Good post, bigwhiteogre (Jon),<br />1. Once you see some evangelical lying about his credentials and abilities in science, it's pretty much game over for believing anything else they say (but people still do because they want the sky daddy to be proved).<br />2. Once you see them (in the name of Jesus, presumably) creaming in money from book sales and ticket sales, it kind of adds weight to that - there's the MO.<br />3. Even with a moderate amount of science background (I started a geology degree, actually, but dropped out in my second year), one can spot the most ridiculous claims, which again will fool the unwary without good science knowledge. For example, I just came from a youtube video in which he kept calling the sedimentary rocks of the Grand Canyon "dried out mud", and I laughed. They're nothing like dried out mud. They are intensely compressed by vast weight, chemically changed by various long-term processes into ROCK. Then he goes on to ask why these hundreds of "bands" of "dried out mud" (rock strata) don't have soil layers in between, and animal burrows or other features, because obviously "dried out mud" from a "flood" has to be exposed (I guess, to dry out, lol). OK, so he hasn't read a damned thing about how sedimentary rocks form, not from repeated floods and dryings (although they can), but just from seasonal changes of the sea bed, lake beds, etc., often giving annual differences in composition up through the layers. In limestone, for example, different amounts and compositions of calcium carbonate are deposited from minute sea creatures, both floating down in the deep sea and from corals in shallower parts.<br />4. The idea that (virtually) none of the thousands of geologists and biologists and physicists and cosmologists writing millions of deeply technical papers has spotted that the age calculations of various things are out by a factor of about 500,000 is ridiculous, requiring an enormous conspiracy keeping everyone quiet about it.<br />5. The alternative is stuffed full of arbitrary miracles, God putting things in place so that it looks like it's several billion years old. The odd thing is to deny the age of the Earth to make it fit with Creationism, but then appeal for geological and physical processes to go much faster in order to construct sediments, minerals or valleys, all trying to avoid evolution at the same time. He doesn't make evolution subject to the same speeding-up, which would mean we'd see species just branching off every week, so he's presumably stuck with the weird miraculous insertion of fossils by God into "dried mud bands". If there's a conspiracy to fool us into thinking there have been billions of years of evolution, it seems God's doing a lot of the heavy lifting for the corrupt scientists. ;) Keep up the good work - these sorts of posts are vital to help (some) people think critically about religious codswallop.lettersquashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04924900938223699573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-15598894626500107282018-07-20T17:42:19.440-04:002018-07-20T17:42:19.440-04:00As usual with atheists you are blind to the truth ...As usual with atheists you are blind to the truth since you do no want to believe anything else than what you have decided to be true. No open minds here no.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02866556987625818147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-71015682592508993992018-06-16T20:33:04.687-04:002018-06-16T20:33:04.687-04:00Of course as we now know Neanderthals are so human...Of course as we now know Neanderthals are so human we interbred with them.Lord Rockmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07917475595678042392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-36806194111321673172016-05-02T22:28:24.843-04:002016-05-02T22:28:24.843-04:00Slavery is more prevalent today than 400 years ago...Slavery is more prevalent today than 400 years ago..Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01450498053475070830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-3341909516783344992014-10-14T23:35:04.869-04:002014-10-14T23:35:04.869-04:00I'm a believer and follower of Christ and some...I'm a believer and follower of Christ and someone who holds degrees and a doctorate in science; so clearly some of us exist. I won't add to the conversation other than to say that I have recently met and listened to Grady and I found him to be a bit awkward and uncomfortable around all people regardless of the topic; myself and fellow Christians included. While I'm not condoning the method of debate (or lack thereof) he used with the original poster he did seem like a very intelligent person (whether you agree with him or not) that's a bit socially awkward in conversation with everyone. That's clearly not that uncommon and probably not that relevant to the initial poster's interaction. <br /><br />Also, in response to some earlier posts... Who in the scientific community hasn't been to conferences, etc. where speakers were "ran" off stage so to speak. It's amazing how academics and scientists have an innate drive to hear themselves talk and belittle others' opinions of theory. Ironically, I've found that this drive is inversely proportionally to their level of intellect and confidence. Those that are truly secure don't take the time to do this. Just my personal experience.<br /><br />God BlessCR_Saltyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13308566489831204342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-74854878392083515682014-08-28T09:36:19.939-04:002014-08-28T09:36:19.939-04:00There is a lot of detail in your writing for the c...There is a lot of detail in your writing for the conversation between you and Grady that even include his demeanor. Were you writing as you speak or did you record the conversation? If you recorded it, could you post that as well?Mark Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520136826745293092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-13653197273208680452014-03-13T10:32:07.715-04:002014-03-13T10:32:07.715-04:00It's interesting to read all the comments here...It's interesting to read all the comments here. There are roughly three camps, one that refuses to consider any alternative view to evolution, one that thinks creation should not be discussed with scientific evidence and should be believed on the basis of faith in the bible alone, and the last group which is willing to consider the science (like Dr McMurtry's findings) as something that augments their belief in the bible. <br />The truth is that evolution is still not proven to be a fact or all the pieces would be in place. Anyone who says that evolution is a fact clearly hasn’t studied the topic in any depth to be involved in an intellectual discussion on the matter. Likewise Dr McMurtry's viewpoint on creation is also not absolutely provable. <br />We can either choose to accept that Dr McMurtrys explanations have some merit or not. However to dismiss them outright just because they differ from one's opinion is to be rather narrrow minded and not scientific. Good science requires one to consider alternatives. It is how science has gotten to where it is today. <br />Personally I think that the discussion here is a lot deeper. Evolutionists and Creationists are divided by something else, and that is the unwillingness/ willingness to believe that man should be governed by and accountable to an entity greater than himself. Unashamedly I am a Creationist that believes God’s word on the matter to be accurate. I also respect that others may have a different opinion and do not make it a point of duty to tell them how wrong I think they are.Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03053939354492563151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-41412542690985321902014-02-22T04:33:10.747-05:002014-02-22T04:33:10.747-05:00If you need a mind blowing TRUTH of the authentici...If you need a mind blowing TRUTH of the authenticity of the Bible read the findings of a brilliant Russian mathematician Dr Ivan Panin. Then seek the real truth. God bless you all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15682041817659058317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-47458334541487058342014-01-27T00:02:21.249-05:002014-01-27T00:02:21.249-05:00Sounds like your stuck in your ways man. I am sur...Sounds like your stuck in your ways man. I am sure you are very intelligent and all but dont you possibly think Life might be a little more special. Just like God already knew you before you existed in your mothers womb. Instead you question the guy about a virus. I would of said who cares too. Things are much more complex then we think. What about the countless near death stories where people describe very similar things and some were not even religious. Life has purpose. Do you think you might just spontaneously generate another life after this one? In my opinion you were at that church because God gives everyone a chance.. But the end result is in your hands, he is not going to force anyone to believe him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675276482636256438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-58450004746550377282014-01-24T13:22:34.081-05:002014-01-24T13:22:34.081-05:00Iwas never a fan of people that defended evolution...Iwas never a fan of people that defended evolution, as a science it doesn't need defending, but it seems to be far easier and less time consuming to read a scientific journal on the matter, and instead sit at home thinking of ways to explain the earth that coincides with a theological mind, because of this we've seen creation creep its way into a few schools across Mississippi and Texas. <br /><br />Now I'm British and there are specific laws against teaching creation in all EU countries, but my partner is from Mississippi, and she's worried religion will be the end of America, after reading things like this it's becoming obvious her worries are very real.<br /><br />So, note to all creationists: these YEC apologists aren't doing all this because of an altruistic instinct to God or its followers. Guys like Ken Ham, Ray Comfort etc make millions of dollars doing what they do saying what they say, they will continue to make as many people as they can believe it, or they lose their market, I'm not saying that they don't believe everything the preach, but it's highly unlikely they believe most of it. <br /><br />Science isn't a belief or a worldview, or a political arm, it is an understanding of the world and universe, scientist make and adjust conclusion based on observations, that are repeated, predictable and falsifiable, and are available for ALL to see. <br /><br />creationists are people who ignore, reject, manipulate or misuse observations to preserve their belief or the belief of others for personal gain. Appealing to the gullible and the fearful is no new business act, it's the easiest way to make money, scammers don't scam those who are willing to find the truth. <br /><br />Now I don't care what anybody believes, everyone has the right and should have the right to believe whatever they want, even if they're wrong, but if you want to teach creation in science, do it in your own home. <br /><br />Teaching the controversy doesn't count, should we teach the controversy of lightning with Zeus? What's wrong with teaching creation from a Nordic religion point of view? no it's just the Christian view you went to teach, and that's not teaching, its preaching and should be saved for church. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982614562011822549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-25725926981881236582013-11-23T18:48:06.853-05:002013-11-23T18:48:06.853-05:00Steady on - whatever anyone's opinion on these...Steady on - whatever anyone's opinion on these issues, and no-one ultimately can give 100% proof either way, these instructions about how to treat each other are more important than winning an argument or feeling superior.<br /><br />Do everything in love:<br />Matthew 5:22<br />Don't call someone a fool.<br />1 Peter 3:15<br />Answer with gentleness and respect.Jez Bayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288781447861782265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-36944596637661327092013-11-23T14:15:00.201-05:002013-11-23T14:15:00.201-05:00anyone that wants to believe you evolved from chim...anyone that wants to believe you evolved from chimpanzees or any other species and that nothing exploded creating all the something we know as the uNiverses...Well, you have serious mental and cognitive issues....idiotsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15970526346662308570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-43981098642666581202013-08-16T00:18:46.632-04:002013-08-16T00:18:46.632-04:00anyone that wants to believe you evolved from chim...anyone that wants to believe you evolved from chimpanzees or any other species and that nothing exploded creating all the something we know as the uNiverses...Well, you have serious mental and cognitive issues....idiotsRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02292455315900322835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-76032326542002076872013-08-16T00:18:15.641-04:002013-08-16T00:18:15.641-04:00anyone that wants to believe you evolved from chim...anyone that wants to believe you evolved from chimpanzees or any other species and that nothing exploded creating all the something we know as the uNiverses...Well, you have serious mental and cognitive issues....idiotsRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02292455315900322835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-60992042873367893722012-12-18T10:13:49.099-05:002012-12-18T10:13:49.099-05:00" ... proving that evolution was untrue would..." ... proving that evolution was untrue would not prove that God existed, and visa versa. Such a line of investigation is therefore pointless - either by Christians or atheists."<br /><br />Agreed<br /><br />Too much of this debate gets sidetracked into false logic on that point.<br /><br />If God created, and/or designed, then he could have employed evolution.<br /><br />Or evolution could one day be disproved, which would lead to other theories about origins, some involving a creator, and some not.<br /><br />Ultimately this is a fascinating area of scientific enquiry, and a dead end for theological proofs of a Godless or Created Universe ( ... or Multiverse!)<br /><br />If you want to know what if God exists and if so what He is like, then look at Jesus, his teaching and his resurrection, but don't look at the science of origins, and screw your eyes up when you look at us christians! Jez Bayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15288781447861782265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-63722475202186746662012-12-18T05:16:28.532-05:002012-12-18T05:16:28.532-05:00Which doesn't answer any of the problems I jus...Which doesn't answer any of the problems I just pointed out with describing God as a designer.<br /><br />In any case, proving that evolution was untrue would not prove that God existed, and visa versa. Such a line of investigation is therefore pointless - either by Christians or atheists.Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09396016590610037737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-17927167317901530552012-12-18T04:53:53.750-05:002012-12-18T04:53:53.750-05:00God is a creator who obviously designs living crea...God is a creator who obviously designs living creatures - such as bats which can produce 500 sonar pulses a second. In order to design all living creatures and vegetation God created DNA. As evolutionists will tell they have found nothing to back their theory - only speculation which is not science.<br /><br />Grady sticks to the bible so no matter what his personality is like it is God you are not believing not Grady.charles allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956135332347230119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1899606766246433608.post-2476250327814811612012-12-18T04:27:32.852-05:002012-12-18T04:27:32.852-05:00The whole idea of God as designer is extremely lim...The whole idea of God as designer is extremely limiting. A designer can only make things from material that already exists - like the DNA you mention him "tweaking".<br /><br />Who made the DNA in the first place? or all the material in the universe? If it was God then he is not a designer and there would be no need for life forms to be as similar as they are to each other.Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09396016590610037737noreply@blogger.com